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I'm looking for the ancestors/family of Elizabeth Downes, known as Lily, born 17 Jan 1858 in Westmeath. She married Michael Wallace in Dublin on 09 Jan 1884 at Our Lady of Refuge Catholic Church, Rathmines, Dublin. The 1901 and 1911 census place them at Coolcronaun, Mayo, where Michael worked as a Butler and Elizabeth as a dressmaker.
I don't know if you've already discovered this (your post was from some time ago) but Elizabeth's parents (and sister, Josephine) are listed in the 1901 Census also at Rathmines in Dublin (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Rathmines/Armstrong_Street/1295234/)
Elizabeth's parents are William Downes and Margaret Lawless.
Josephine Downes is my great-grandmother. She married James Darlington in 1905 (they lived in Dublin as of 1911 census) and they immigrated to the US (Brooklyn, NY) in 1912 with their two children.
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Elizabeth's parents are William Downes and Margaret Lawless.
Josephine Downes is my great-grandmother. She married James Darlington in 1905 (they lived in Dublin as of 1911 census) and they immigrated to the US (Brooklyn, NY) in 1912 with their two children.
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Thank you very much for your reply. You're right, this is an old posting and I have already found the information I was looking for. There does seem to be some doubt about Elizabeth's surname - on some records it's recorded as Lawless, on others it's Lawlor or Lalor.
Do you know any more about Margaret Lawless? Who her parents were, where she was baptised?
I have found 8 children for William and Elizabeth: Elizabeth 1858, Daniel 1862, James 1964,Ann 1867, Margaret 1868, Agnes Catherine 1870, Madeline 1871 and of course your relative Josephine 1872.
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Do you know any more about Margaret Lawless? Who her parents were, where she was baptised?
I have found 8 children for William and Elizabeth: Elizabeth 1858, Daniel 1862, James 1964,Ann 1867, Margaret 1868, Agnes Catherine 1870, Madeline 1871 and of course your relative Josephine 1872.
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William Downes was the son of Samuel Downes and Elizabeth Molton. Baptism 16 Jul 1830 at St Nicholas RC, Dublin.
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Regarding William Downes, b. Dublin abt 1830; I wonder if this is the same William Downes who went on to be a journalist, editor, agricultural writer (variously described) who married Margaret Lawless / Lalor / Lawlor. It's my understanding that William and Margaret had (perhaps) 11 children - the first three Joseph, Mary and Edward born in Dublin before the family moved to Westmeath.
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Hi Chris.
There is no doubt it's the same person, but I didn't know about the three children, Joseph, Mary and Edward, born in Dublin. Do you have the baptism details, or details of William and Margaret's marriage? I haven't been able to find them.
Sonya
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There is no doubt it's the same person, but I didn't know about the three children, Joseph, Mary and Edward, born in Dublin. Do you have the baptism details, or details of William and Margaret's marriage? I haven't been able to find them.
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Hi Sonya,
What a speedy reply, thank you. Yes I have baptism details for joseph, Mary and Edward - they also link in through later marriage and death and burial records, also places that William lived when he was back in Dublin (post 1884) living in Harold's Cross. I'm still searching for the marriage record for William and Margaret - although I have both their death and burial records.
Very best wishes
Chris, great grandson of William and Margaret.
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What a speedy reply, thank you. Yes I have baptism details for joseph, Mary and Edward - they also link in through later marriage and death and burial records, also places that William lived when he was back in Dublin (post 1884) living in Harold's Cross. I'm still searching for the marriage record for William and Margaret - although I have both their death and burial records.
Very best wishes
Chris, great grandson of William and Margaret.
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Hi Chris
could you give me the dates for the three children born in Dublin please? I'd be very grateful.
I know William died in 1906 in Dublin but when did Margaret die? She doesn't appear on the 1901 Census so I presume she died before then. There is a death record for a Margaret DOWNEY in Dublin in 1875 aged 40 - is that her?
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could you give me the dates for the three children born in Dublin please? I'd be very grateful.
I know William died in 1906 in Dublin but when did Margaret die? She doesn't appear on the 1901 Census so I presume she died before then. There is a death record for a Margaret DOWNEY in Dublin in 1875 aged 40 - is that her?
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Hi Sonya,
Joseph Downes b March 1854, chr 10 Mar 1854, parish of Booterstown, Blackrock and Dundrum, Co. Dublin, father - William Downes, mother - Margaret n/r, sponsors - Patrick Brown and John Lawless.
Mary Downes, b. 29 July 1855, chr 5 Aug 1855, parish - as for Joseph, father - William Downes, mother - Margaret Lawless, sponsors - Michael Hoey, Mary Downes.
Edward Downes, b 13 Jun 1857, chr 21 Jun 1857, father - William Downes, mother - Margaret Lawless, sponsors - John Carroll, Elizabeth Rich
Margaret Lawless died 24 Dec 1885 in Dr Steevens Hospital, Dublin, her address was recorded as 1 Metcalf Tce, Harolds Cross, age 54, occupation - Editors wife. She is buried in Galsnevin Cemetary in the same plot that her husband William would be buried in in 1906, on the Glasnevin record she is described as Journalists wife. She was intered on 27 December 1885. Not a very happy Christmas that year.
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Joseph Downes b March 1854, chr 10 Mar 1854, parish of Booterstown, Blackrock and Dundrum, Co. Dublin, father - William Downes, mother - Margaret n/r, sponsors - Patrick Brown and John Lawless.
Mary Downes, b. 29 July 1855, chr 5 Aug 1855, parish - as for Joseph, father - William Downes, mother - Margaret Lawless, sponsors - Michael Hoey, Mary Downes.
Edward Downes, b 13 Jun 1857, chr 21 Jun 1857, father - William Downes, mother - Margaret Lawless, sponsors - John Carroll, Elizabeth Rich
Margaret Lawless died 24 Dec 1885 in Dr Steevens Hospital, Dublin, her address was recorded as 1 Metcalf Tce, Harolds Cross, age 54, occupation - Editors wife. She is buried in Galsnevin Cemetary in the same plot that her husband William would be buried in in 1906, on the Glasnevin record she is described as Journalists wife. She was intered on 27 December 1885. Not a very happy Christmas that year.
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Hi Sonya,
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Thank you so much for the information Chris. That's filled in a few gaps on the tree. It's strange that we haven't been able to find a marriage for William Downes and Margaret Lawless, isn't it?
My connection is on my husband's side - Elizabeth Downes is his great-grandmother. As stated previously, she married Michael Wallace. If you want any information on the Wallaces, let me know.
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My connection is on my husband's side - Elizabeth Downes is his great-grandmother. As stated previously, she married Michael Wallace. If you want any information on the Wallaces, let me know.
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